Xantia 1.8i 16v cambelt change

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Xantia 1.8i 16v cambelt change

Post by hswift » 01 Aug 2002, 17:08

Now that my Xantia's got over 60k miles on the clock, I'm thinking of doing a pre-emptive cambelt replacement. I know my limitations, so it's a job for someone else to do. My local main dealer has quoted 215 quid, which I guess includes about three hours labour. Forgetting the punitive hourly rate, does three hours for the job sound about right? Is there anything unusual about the job that should stop me going to an independent Citroen specialist instead?
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Post by PeterC. » 01 Aug 2002, 18:32

2.0 16v: I’m having mine done (main dealer) at 43,000 if that’s any consolation to you. I don’t trust the bugger. Mind you, my motor is 6 years old. I just don’t think it’s worth the risk. Looks like it’s hard to evaluate the belt’s condition without taking it off, by which time you may as well replace it. Don’t fancy DIY and getting it in any way wrong either - I’d have to shoot myself if it went phut.
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Post by Ben Hancy » 04 Aug 2002, 06:24

You light weights,
A New belt costs around £ 20.00, so that's nearly 200 notes labour, 3 Hours sounds fair for a DIY job, I woud expect a Cit Garage to do that within an Hour - 2 Tops.
I wish I had the money to chuck £ 200.00 at somebody to fit a £20.00 part.
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Post by alan s » 04 Aug 2002, 16:00

I wouldn't feel too over confident of the result based on the fact that a "professional" changed the cam belt.
I did one recently on my BX 16 valve and amongst the things I found was; the water pump had failed due to it not being changed at its previous belt change, the tension had been set incorrectly causing the back of the belt to overheat and actually had blisters on it, parts had been left out when the job had been done and so it went on....the job was done at around 27,000 klme earlier (prior to me buying the car) by a "professional" and at a whacking great price.
I did this amongst other jobs and those who know the car say it's never sounded or run better.
The moral of the story is; do it yourself, take your time and do it right.
A few tips on the BX which I would assume would be the same on the Xantia you can find on a previous message I posted on this subject.
http://www.andyspares.com/discussionfor ... PIC_ID=978
You make your own decision, but after doing the job and seeing the previous effort, there is no way I'd let some of these cowboys loose on my car. This way, you can afford to replace anything that may be suspect & still come out a mile in front on the overall cost.
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Post by PeterC. » 13 Aug 2002, 17:09

Had cambelt done at main dealer, cost £195. Belt was priced at £44 (I think). Had a look at that plastic clip on the clutch pedal last night - my god, it’s barely possible to see it let alone change it. Whoever designed this bit should be tied to a chair and beaten with a Xantia clutch cable. There seems to be a slight sticking resistance when the pedal is depressed - I hope this doesn’t signify any additional strain on the plastic bit. I squirted some oil on the exposed cable and pedel mechanism but it doesn’t feel any different.
I tried to work-out how the cable gets to the gearbox (once I’d found the gearbox - this is the first front wheel drive car I’ve ever had) it’s a miracle that it works at all. I can only guess that the gearbox is the opposite side to the clutch pedel because Citroens are originally designed to be left hand drive?
Also going to investigate rattly noises from front/back doors (not sure which yet). Also going to follow forum advice on de-rattling dash mounted climate control fan.
Didn’t have any of these quality problems on my BMW520 you know...
Trouble was, the cost of running it!
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Xantia 1.8 16V Cambelt change

Post by howardaskew » 22 May 2008, 10:47

I notice quite a lot of posts relating to cambelts. Of course the ost of failure may be very high.
I gave up working on cars when I had a company car but have started doing it again because of suspicions and disatisfaction with work paid for.
My Xantia 1.8 16V has as far as I know not had a new cambelt and has covered just under 150,000 miles of which 121,000 I have driven.
The Haynes manual describes the job but the bit that worries me is the specialist tool for tensioning the belt.
I presume that none of you out there that do this job DIY have used this electronic tension tool.
Am I right to tackle this job myself?

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Post by myglaren » 22 May 2008, 10:59

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Is there really a six year gap in this thread or a glitch in the database, or something...

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Post by CitroJim » 22 May 2008, 11:49

Hi Howard,

That is an incredibly long time for a cambelt to have been in service, although having said that, I swapped the cambelt on a 1.25 F*** Fester after a known 105,000 miles.

We are a bit paranoid on here about timing belts as the consequences of having one break do cause a bit of damage.

Don't worry about the tensioner adjustment, the only special tool you need is a finger and thumb :wink: Adjust the tension so that the belt can be turned through 90 degrees on it's longest run. Don't over-tension the belt as the engine expands a bit when hot and tightens the belt. Set the cold tension a bit on the loose side; an easy twist through 90 degrees.

Replace your water pump whilst you're there. Water pumps know when cambelts have been changed and if they're not changed at the same time, they show their displeasure by failing exactly a week later...

myglaren wrote:Is there really a six year gap in this thread or a glitch in the database, or something...


No, I don't think so Steve. Howard just added to it going by the dates. What is interesting is how Howard found it.. That thread was one made when this forum was on a Snitz board and known as the Andyspares forum. Often, during the conversion from Snitz to phpBB the search function cannot find old threads as they are not indexed.
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Post by myglaren » 22 May 2008, 15:42

PeterC. Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:09 pm


howardaskew Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:47 am


Is what lead me to think there was a six year gap.
Am I reading this wrong?

Must see when mine was last done, >120,000 miles on the clock now.
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Post by RichardW » 22 May 2008, 16:35

HDi is 100k / 10 years, so it's not due for another 80k. Or it's 20k overdue :shock:

I suspect Howard turned this thread up on a google search....
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Post by myglaren » 22 May 2008, 17:39

RichardW wrote:HDi is 100k / 10 years, so it's not due for another 80k. Or it's 20k overdue :shock:

I suspect Howard turned this thread up on a google search....


Thanks. I did look in the service book but couldn't make head nor tail of it. The Honda one was crystal clear with each item clearly indicated. Never had one for the Xantia.
Never looked at it anyway. :P
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Post by wheeler » 22 May 2008, 21:12

citrojim wrote:Don't worry about the tensioner adjustment, the only special tool you need is a finger and thumb :wink: Adjust the tension so that the belt can be turned through 90 degrees on it's longest run. .


I dont think you will get anywhere near 90 degrees on a 1.8 16v theres not really any long runs on the belt.
One thing to be aware of the mk1 1.8 16v's were recalled at one point for breaking belts, the manual tensioner was changed to a springy one with a pointer. i would double check to see what type yours is.
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Post by howardaskew » 23 May 2008, 02:02

I must apologise for "digging up" an old thread! I never checked the dates.
It is possible the cam belt was changed but I doubt it.
I did change both front suspension yop units which had light corrosion on them but after seeing the bonnets with big dents punched on the inside I did not want to take a chance!
I think I will go ahead and change the belt myself now.
The wife has the car now.
I have invested in a C5, now I suspect I will have the worse car now but as fuel prices hit the roof I needed a diesel!
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Post by myglaren » 23 May 2008, 09:08

Don't apologise, you did the right thing there IMO.

I was just a bit startled that such an old thread had been resurrected and wondered if something had gone wrong with the database and the dates had been scrambled.

Best of luck with the job in hand.
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Post by david mcfall » 25 May 2008, 22:22

ive got a 1999 1.8 16v 132000 miles on the clock(bought it with 127000)and have had to do 2 cam belts since getting it.first one i didnt get the water pump changed and it soon started to pack up, namely new belt tightening everything up.so that had to come off after 5000(the pump was that bad it nearly threw the belt off the tomimg pulleys it was wobbling that bad).I knew this because i took the timing cover off to inspect a rattling noise and nearly had a connery.make sure you get water pump changed whilst the belt is off it could save you a lot of heartache.i know this posting is late but ive just become a member of the forum and just going through postings relating to the same car as mine
p.s.the work i got the second timing belt,tensioners and water pump done at a local garage for £170 quid which i thought was good
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